Posts by Sea Breeze

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Sea Breeze

Jesus already showed that he can materialize a body.

@EasyPrompt

One of the things that makes it so hard to integrate into Christianity after being a JW is undoing the dozens of redefinitions that were installed in our heads by the indoctrination processes of the WT.

I was a 4th generation JW, now an active church member and serve on the board of directors of a K-12 Christian Academy.

I have found a good old fashioned dictionary from the 1800's to be invaluable in deconstructing WT indoctrination.

This may come as a shock to you (it did for me) ; but there is no such thing in the bible as:

1. Being Resurrected to Spirit Life

2. Jesus materializing a body

The basic meaning of "resurrection" is to rise again. When a person dies, his body falls, lies down, & appears to be sleeping. A resurrection occurs when his body does just the opposite: stands up fully animated and awake.

RESURREC'TION, noun s as z. [Latin resurrectus, resurgo; re and surgo, to rise.]
A rising again; - Webster 1828 Dictionary

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

True, Jesus' body was glorified in that is was equipped with power to rise to heaven, to appear in rooms with opening a door, and so forth. But, it was still his body that he died in that was raised. Otherwise, a resurrection did not occur. And if a resurrection did not occur, then the Apostle Paul makes clear that there are bigger doctrinal problems:

if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ... if Christ be not raised, ...ye are yet in your sins. - 1 Cor. 15

Foundational, bedrock Christian doctrine from the earliest eye witness testimony is that Jesus rose from the dead (was resurrrected) in his OWN BODY.

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Did God know Adam and Eve will Sin? - JW perspective

by bioflex in

i read about this topic sometime ago in one awake mag (cant rememer which one).

and from the jw perspective, he didnt know which means it took him by suprise or which makes it seem god is not as almighty as we would believe.

this is their reasoning.. http://www.watchtower.org/e/20110101a/article_01.htm.

Sea Breeze

A better question might be why did god let a powerful angel known as Satan go to the Garden and tempt those weak human mortals ?

The temptation to disobey God would eventually be insitgated by someone. It doesn't really matter who in my opinion. God allowed it because he loves us and wants to see us live free. It offered him the opportunity to place a certain value on human life by dramatically displaying the price of redemption that he was willing to pay.

How much is something worth? Whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Many people bring objects to Antiques Roadshow thinking that their object only has modest value. When they learn THAT EXPERTS are willing to pay big money for it; it changes EVERYTHING.

Since, we now know what we are worth, we now have context, a benchmark, a scale to see the enormity of what being made in the image of God really means:

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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At what point, does one become apostate to the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

at what point does a jehovah’s witness cease to be a jehovah’s witness?

what if a witness doesn't believe some of the official teachings of the governing body but remains silent on these subjects to avoid being disfellowshipped?

is he or she an apostate to the faith?

Sea Breeze

When you accept the fact that God doesn't use false prophets.

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Dubtown (kevin McFree) - A JW Parody on Youtube done with Legos

by Acluetofindtheuser in

has anyone ever come across the youtube channel that uses legos through stop motion animation to make fun of the witnesses?.

it's called dubtown but the channel is under the name kevin mcfree.

the creator sounds british.

Sea Breeze

What exactly would we do without British humor?

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Sea Breeze

@Person,

You want to talk about faith? The bottom line is that if you were in some sort of legal trouble and a judge sent you word that he wanted to meet with you privately before your trial to work out terms that would be acceptable to both "the people" and to you, you know that you would take him up on the offer..... because you can see him.

Yet, I see nothing in your comments that indicates that you have enough faith to show the same deference to Jesus, your judge. He is waiting on you Person. Don't blow it.

"you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." - John 5: 40

Come to Me - Jesus. Why not simply obey? Unless of course it is not a faith issue and you have already concluded like the Pharisees: "we will not have this man be ruler over us".

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Sea Breeze

@ Person - Jesus is the only judge you will ever know if you don't deal with him first. You will face Jesus and talk to him one day whether you acknowledge his position as judge or not.

Why not check to see what his terms for peace are, before you seek a higher Magistrate? Maybe his terms are acceptable? That is the idea behind a short little parable not quoted much in Luke 14 :

“Or what king, going to wage war against another king, does not sit down first and take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 Otherwise, while the other is yet at a distance, he sends a delegation and requests conditions of peace. 33 So likewise, any of you who does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

You are the King of your own life apart from God as a child of Adam. You are the King with only 10K troops. Jesus is the coming King/Judge/Liberator with 20K troops. If you think you are moral enough to not deal with Jesus and appeal straight to Jehovah for justice, mercy and sonship... go for it. If not, maybe check with Jesus first to see if the terms for peace with God are acceptable?

It's just common sense.

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Sea Breeze

Maybe take turns, one day to Jesus and the other to God?

@ Person

Well why not? Ever prayed to Jehovah for your sins to be forgiven? Why don't you try asking Jesus :

1. to forgive your sins

2. give you life forever

3. to make you a permanent member of God's family

Here are some common sense reasons to pray to Jesus:

1. I'm sure you are aware that the Father judges no one, but has comitted ALL of the judging to the Son. So, why continue to ignore him? Doesn't make any sense. What if you appeared in court (and you most certainly will after you die according to Hebrews 9: 27) and refused to address the Judge? Instead, you ignore him and direct all your appeals to the baliff or maybe to the court reporter, or someone else. How do you think that will go over? Seems pretty dumb. Some may say that such a person deserves what he gets, not because of his crimes, but on grounds of stupidity alone!

2. Jesus has the power and authority to forgive your sins. ' "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house". And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed' - Mark 2

3. Jesus said, "Come to me" (not Jehovah) and I will give you rest, life, joy etc.

In the Old testament, the phrase "thus saith the Lord" appears over 400 times. But in the New Testament, it doesn't appear even once. I wonder why this is so? However, Jesus said over 100 times in the NT, "I say unto you" because he is "God manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3: 16 - MEV, KJV, NKJ)

Jesus also said, "Ye have not because ye ask not".

Why don't you start praying to Jesus and see if you get better results than you did when you disobediently appealed to Jehovah as a WT publisher?

Maybe start with addressing God as "Lord" and let Him sort out your praises, requests, forgiveness, etc.

At least you would not be disrespectful to the One with the power to forgive your sins.

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Watching the show

by Teddnzo in

i’m new to apostate stuff but have gone deep down a few rabbit holes of late so want to see both sides to everything .

im going to a congregation but am viewed as a bit of a black sheep because i question lots of things but not enough to cause too much trouble.. i’m intrigued watching the show.

in my heart i’m pretty sure the governing body are fakes and charlatans.. the entire thing is a big con game.

Sea Breeze

@Nicolaou

Virgins don't have babies, men can't walk on water and corpses don't come back to life.

How do you know that? Is it because that you have never personally experienced these things ?

By this reasoning, since I have never died before, that means I'll live forever, right? That logic doesn't really work does it?.

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Sea Breeze

Regardless of what he saw, he was talking to Jesus same as to God.

We don't talk to angels that way. In fact, we arent supposed to talk to spirits at all.

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Best advice ever given by the current Gibbering Body!

by BoogerMan in

the october 2023 study watchtower - p. 18, par.

2 exhorts jw's to personally dig deeper into the scriptures.

"an excellent way to study the bible is to see how the var ious parts of its message connect together.

Sea Breeze

Good advice.

A wise man once said:

Do as they say, not as they do - Jesus